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human caused climate change makes most sense, and should be concerning
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Well, looks like I am one of those "stupid people" that you are referring to.
Now, lets see who the real stupid person is in this debate site.
So what do you know about the properties of CO2?
Probably nothing I would say. (stupidity factor 1)
Co2 has properties similar to glass in that it only reflects infra red of a certain wave length and once saturation point is reached the reflection diminishes exponentially.
Thus, once CO2 reaches 80 parts per million there is a negligible increase in it's reflection capability.
What do you know about the green house effect?
Probably nothing I would guess. (stupidity factor 2)
The earth acts like a thermostat and not like a greenhouse.
The Earth's atmosphere is not trapped like a greenhouse and is free to move. Thus, hot air rises and cool air moves in from the arctic and antarctic regions. Thus, an even temperature is maintained.
What do you know about the origins of climate change politics?
Probably nothing I would guess. (stupidity factor 3)
Maurice Strong started the climate change hysteria in 1972.
Agenda 21
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/12/discovering-maurice-strong/
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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Cliche after cliche.
Not once did you address any of my statements in your long rant and hyperbole.
Here's a real graph with real data. Not that IPCC garbage.
The greenhouse gasses keep the Earth 30° C warmer than it would otherwise be without them in the atmosphere, so instead of the average surface temperature being -15° C, it is 15° C. Carbon dioxide contributes 10% of the effect so that is 3° C. The pre-industrial level of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere was 280 ppm. So roughly, if the heating effect was a linear relationship, each 100 ppm contributes 1° C. With the atmospheric concentration rising by 2 ppm annually, it would go up by 100 ppm every 50 years and we would all fry as per the IPCC predictions.
But the relationship isn’t linear, it is logarithmic. In 2006, Willis Eschenbach posted this graph on Climate Audit showing the logarithmic heating effect of carbon dioxide relative to atmospheric concentration:
Lo and behold, the first 20 ppm accounts for over half of the heating effect to the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm, by which time carbon dioxide is tuckered out as a greenhouse gas. One thing to bear in mind is that the atmospheric concentration of CO2 got down to 180 ppm during the glacial periods of the ice age the Earth is currently in (the Holocene is an interglacial in the ice age that started three million years ago).
Plant growth shuts down at 150 ppm, so the Earth was within 30 ppm of disaster. Terrestrial life came close to being wiped out by a lack of CO2 in the atmosphere. If plants were doing climate science instead of us humans, they would have a different opinion about what is a dangerous carbon dioxide level.
Some of the IPCC climate models predict that temperature will rise up to 6° C as a consequence of the doubling of the pre-industrial level of 280 ppm. So let’s add that to the graph above and see what it looks like:
Let’s see what the IPCC model warming looks like when it is plotted as a cumulative bar graph:
Nothing happened up to the Great Pacific Climate Shift of 1976, which gave us a 0.4° warming, and it has been flat for the last four decades.
https://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/03/08/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide/
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this says more co2 causes more warming, even if the effect isn't as much as the amount goes up. why should we believe you?
https://skepticalscience.com/saturated-co2-effect.htm
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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There are NO peer reviewed papers from Willis Eschenbach. If you have any sources from any actually scientific evidence that disproves man made climate change, feel free to plagiarize it for us!!!!!
http://theclimatescepticsparty.blogspot.com/2015/02/the-logarithmic-effect-of-carbon-dioxide_19.html.
●■●♤○♡○♤This is the article you PLAGIARIZED YOUR ENTIRE ARGUMENT FROM!!!!!!!!!!!!▪▪▪■●■
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The debaters on this website are cowardly sneaks who use hit and run tactics and never properly address the poster's argument.
This is because they know that their position is undefendable if they use honest and fair debate.
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YOU are not properly addressing any arguments if you copy and paste literature and post it as your own. Why don't you copy and paste an article on how or why peer reviewed papers are unreliable and corrupt?
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Your reference conclusion - quote - "greenhouse gases to push 'the action' higher and higher, into colder and colder air, restricting the rate of radiation to space even further."
After several paragraphs of confusing complications they hope to lose the reader in a baffling tangle of nonsense. But, in the end, they just state that the CO2 goes higher thus it is still adding to it's thickness.
Now, the graphs that I supplied show that increasing the CO2 depth or thickness doesn't increase it's reflection back to Earth by any significant amount. The temperature graph from Perth shows that mean average temperature has not changed in the last 40 years.
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So, if there is anything on the website that is false?
If so, demonstrate how and why it is false.
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My reply .....What you’re really saying is you have no peer reviewed papers to back up your wild assertions so instead of honestly admitting that you create a straw man by attacking the process of peer review and claiming it’s corrupt, Creationists use this very same tactic every time
You say ......The debaters on this website are cowardly sneaks who use hit and run tactics and never properly address the poster's argument.
My reply ......This again is an unfounded claim as from what I have seen your arguments have been addressed but yet again you create a straw man so you can accuse others for your lack of a reasonable defence to your pretty weak position
You say ......This is because they know that their position is undefendable if they use honest and fair debate.
My reply .......But the only one not defending their positions appears to be you , I don’t think honesty and fairness are attributes you can claim to exercise in the debating arena. Most of what you say is void of implication and I do not envisage a change in the near future but maybe you will surprise us all
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You should take up knitting as a hobby.
You must be blind as well as stupid.
Check ZeusAres42 post time 12:13
Now, how many times did he respond to my statements in an appropriate manner in this post?
Answer - nunce dunce !!!!
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You say .....
You should take up knitting as a hobby.
My reply ......A typically stupid response from an idiot who thinks oil rich Saudi Arabia is in fact a communist country trying to push communism on the U S in an effort to get cheap labour .......You shouldn’t take up knitting as a hobby the wool could be part of a communist plot for world domination you best be careful
You say ....You must be blind as well as stupid.
My reply ......My sight does not affect my intelligence you demonstrate the “intelligence “of an unwatered pot plant
You say ......Check ZeusAres42 post time 12:13
Now, how many times did he respond to my statements in an appropriate manner in this post?
My reply ......His response is most likely a counter to your gross stupidity and childish “debating skills”
You say ......Answer - nunce dunce !!!!
My reply ......Another typically childish response
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I think it's best you go to Saudi Arabia to live because they really know how to treat women there. lol
https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/01/30/saudi-arabia-10-reasons-why-women-flee
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You say ......I think it's best you go to Saudi Arabia to live because they really know how to treat women there. lol
My reply .......But what’s that got to do with your claims that overnight oil rich Saudi have become a communist country in an effort to force communism on the U S in an effort to get cheap labour?
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You can't get cheap labour without abusing people's rights. Communism is about abusing people's rights. Saudi Arabia has plenty of human rights abuse so it is a good candidate for communism. That's how!
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You say .....
You can't get cheap labour without abusing people's rights.
My reply ......
Yes you’ve admitted most our capitalist goods are made in Communist countries and Capitalists are abusing them by exploiting and using their people for cheap labour
You say ......
Communism is about abusing people's rights
My reply .....
But yet you admit it s Capitalists abusing communists rights
You say ......
Saudi Arabia has plenty of human rights abuse so it is a good candidate for communism.
My reply .......
Oh it’s only a candidate now , thought you said it was communist?
You say ......
That's how!
My reply .....That’s how .....stupid you are
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Yeah, Sharky knows the truth of the matter. Alinskyite's tactics are being used against me.
- "Power is not only what you have but what the enemy thinks you have."
- "Never go outside the expertise of your people."
- "Whenever possible go outside the expertise of the enemy."
- "Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules."
- "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon."
- "A good tactic is one your people enjoy."
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The work by John Ioannidis should not be construed as "all science is wrong". He is a scientist himself. The point of his research is to show how or why research claims can be biased, and to work on how to improve those problems. It's not a treatise for anti-science, or psuedo-science. His paper concluded that small sized experiments can have larger biases because of limited test samples, and to much flexibility with definitions. His paper was mostly centered around biomedical research, but was not limited to it. He did NOT site any papers on global warming (he has been urged to do so, but still has yet to do any such studies), and if you read the findings, meteorology does not fit the criteria of the "problem studies" he refers to in his study because those studies are done on a huge scale. Especially when it comes to global temperatures, because those results are gathered from all over the world. Ioannidis' gripe was with small sized experiments, not so much the ones that cover the entire globe. His study also notes that not every finding from experiments are wrong. 2/3rds of the papers he studied were still accurate enough for scientific standards.
Also, much of his work was to scrutinize papers on experiments, not the conclusive findings. This is made clear in the very first sentence of his study which states, "there is increasing concern that most current PUBLISHED RESEARCH FINDINGS are false. He drives this point home even more when he states, "Simulations show that for most study designs and settings, it is more likely for a RESEARCH CLAIM to be false than true. He isn't talking about conclusive evidence, but inconclusive, still yet to be reviewed, claims. No scientists were shocked by his findings, because he was just pointing out the obvious, because that's how research is done. After an experiment is conducted, it is analysed and the findings are published where it awaits peer-reviewed analysis. None of what he is talking about here is conclusive findings, it's just the analysis of studies. His true hopes are to point out biases in the experimentation process which could hamper the conclusions of the experiments. He is calling for better safeguards in the peer-review process in all fields of science, but his study was more focused on research claims in the biomedical field, not conclusive evidence.(by the way CYD, thanx for not plagiarizing your entire argument, that drives me bat $hit crazy.)
https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2007/09/24/the-cranks-pile-on-john-ioannidis-work-o
One thing that has dogged Ioannidis since his research was published was the slew of science deniers who have drafted him as the new icon for anti-science. That is not his intention. Many scientists point out that when scientific research is found to be false, it's found to be false by scientists, not science deniers. Ioannidis himself points out that his work lends no validity to junk-science or science-denier propagandists. CYD, the study you posted does nothing to make the process of peer-reviewed studies seem invalid, and it doesn't even approach invalidating science on the whole. It also goes without saying that even if it did serve as a valid skepticism of science, it would also invalidate the claims made by Willis Eschenbach.
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Let's just forget about using references. One can dismiss climate change simply on logic basis because It doesn't make sense. The earth is not a greenhouse, it's a thermostat. This alone, shows the illogical nature of the research papers that you present as "evidence".
Can you prove that the Earth is not a thermostat equivalent model?
You state that 1/3 of the science is wrong. Thus, if the standard deviation of climate is less than plus or minus one percent then one can not take the science seriously. Let's see one percent change minus 33.3 equals 32.3 percent error rate. This is unacceptable even by your own warped standards.
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Corollary 4: The greater the flexibility in designs, definitions, outcomes, and analytical modes in a scientific field, the less likely the research findings are to be true.
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Can you prove that the Earth is not a thermostat equivalent model?
Did you mean thermometer equivalent model? As a thermostat the Earth does not regulate an environment in thermodynamics. A 4th law of motion setting gravity as modulation, elasticity, and reverberation creates a math proof of contradiction in how energy can be transferred in the universe around Earth and other planets. Vacuum is a principle held in elasticity.
The average temperature of outer space near Earth is 283.32 kelvins (10.17 degrees Celsius or 50.3 degrees Fahrenheit). In empty, interstellar space, the temperature is just 3 kelvins, not much above absolute zero, which is the coldest anything can ever get.
https://sciencing.com/temperatures-outer-space-around-earth-20254.html
The Sun has a temperature ranging from 6,000° Celsius at its surface which is hot enough to turn gold, tungsten and every metal on Earth into gas. It is around 15,000,000° Celsius in its center- far hotter than anything we can generate on Earth. Pressure is also enormously high in its center. In these extreme conditions at the center of the Sun, hydrogen nuclei are fusing into helium in a process called nuclear fusion.
http://planetfacts.org/temperature-of-the-sun/
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Your insanity seems to be progressing at a rapid state you and Sharky should get a room together
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Thank you, Dee, for demonstrating my point about True Believers so succinctly.
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You say .....Thank you, Dee, for demonstrating my point about True Believers so succinctly
My reply .....But the word of a conspiracy theorist like yourself is worthless unless one counts the opinions of fellow tin foil hatters as credible
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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These climate changers are amusing monkeys to watch aren't they. lol
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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And Mr Insanity himself has come back to add further distraction and confusion. Right on course with the Alinskyite principles.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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You are still living in your own fantasy world of unreality.
https://quadrant.org.au/opinion/doomed-planet/2015/12/discovering-maurice-strong/
No connection to communism? Thus, you have no connection with reality.
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I don't know about the rest of you but I prefer to get my scientific sources from the actual science itself as opposed to politicians, media or anyone with a highly sought after political agenda.
Furthermore, for more information on the misinformation by editors at Quadrant verses what the actual science says can be found here:
The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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Well. It looks like you found another extreme left wing organisation to give yourself a big slap on the back.
Extract from Activist Facts about PR Watch
The Center for Media and Democracy (CMD) is a non-profit watchdog organization dedicated to exposing PR “spin.” Though the group is officially nonpartisan, it labels itself as “progressive” and avoids criticism of liberal organizations in its publications. The group operates the publication PR Watch and a related Wiki-platform SourceWatch, which present the group’s hostile view of free-market organizations.
CMD takes significant sums of money for its work from left-wing foundations, and has even received a half-million dollar donation from one of the country’s largest donor-advised funds—all the while criticizing pro-business or free-market advocacy groups who also use donor advised funds or rely on foundation support.
Left leaning groups are notably absent from negative mention in PR Watch and SourceWatch. While SourceWatch maintains a “tobacco portal” dedicated to exposing links between free-market groups and the tobacco industry, the site neglects to include the thousands of dollars given by the tobacco industry to many labor-affiliated advocacy organizations.
Despite this history of far-left advocacy and funding, media sources often mistakenly cite CMD and its SourceWatch website as independent watchdog organizations.
Thus, you continue to use confirmation bias as evidence.
Note - You haven't addressed any of the science facts about climate change which I have previously presented but instead you continually used diversionary tactics by discussing word definitions.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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Wow. I guess we've all just been blown away by your deep and profound MISunderstanding of the scientific method. If Ioannidis isn't talking about verified scientific proof, which you admit is true, he must be talking about scientific claims that haven't been verified at all. If that's the case, you might want to get busy trying to debunk the scientific PROOF (not claims) that can be verified with various manners of testing that global warming is caused by humans, because Ioannidis isn't doing that in the study you posted.https://climate.nasa.gov
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https://skepticalscience.com/does-greenhouse-effect-exist.htm
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Oh yeah, that Carl Sagan guy. lol. The same person who thinks that the universe has an invisible 4th dimension called a tesseract. It's the best comedy show in science.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0WjV6MmCyM&t=30s
Note - This is a debate. You have to prove that the Earth is not a thermostat in order to win. You haven't even begun to do that because you have no idea of what a debate really is.
Note - Anthony Watts is just posting information that other scientists have produced. The graphs are not his graphs. Thus, your argument is just childish nonsense.
Delirious climate change hysteria - Threats to humanity that didn't come true.
The Claim: 50 million climate refugees will be produced by climate change by the year 2010. Especially hard hit will be river delta areas, and low lying islands in the Caribbean and Pacific. The UN 62nd General assembly in July 2008 said: …it had been estimated that there would be between 50 million and 200 million environmental migrants by 2010.
The Test: Did population go down in these areas during that period, indicating climate refugees were on the move? The answer, no.
The Proof: Population actually gained in some Caribbean Island for which 2010 census figures were available. Then when challenged on these figures, the UN tried to hide the original claim from view. See: The UN “disappears” 50 million climate refugees, then botches the disappearing attempt
The Change in claim: Now it is claimed that it will be 10 years into the future, and there will be 50 million refugees by the year 2020.
lololololololololo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah, sure thing, climate change experts!!!!!!!!!
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Quote - Now, I wonder but highly doubt that Akhenaten can provide any credible scientific information with a high degree of evidential support backing the absurd notion that AGW is a far-left political movement and that it has been substantially disproven.
Reply - I just did supply this information but you have ignored it. Activist facts website.
https://www.activistfacts.com/organizations/12-center-for-media-democracy/
Thus, your sources are highly biased and are funded by left-wing organisations.
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The only issue is a green houses is not in a constant state of motion they are fixed on the ground in relationship to field of gravity they rest in. Science is expected to produce a mathematic proof not a legal proof to the effects of change in temperature this moves a theory to a state of truth.
“ For all carbon dioxide there exist the creation of heat.”
Carbon dioxide is 60% denser than dry air
Density of air at sea level. 1.25 kg/m^3
Density of ocean water at surface level 1027 kg/m^3
Density of Carbon dioxide 1.977 kg/m^3
https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2002/EdwardLaValley.shtml
https://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/air-density-specific-weight-d_600.html
https://hypertextbook.com/facts/2000/RachelChu.shtml
The mathematics do not point to Carbon dioxide as the creation of manipulation. While the use of the solar orbit, year a measurement of time for understanding global history like we might use a clock for calculation of distance traveled on Earth is incorrect. Then mathematic principle in comparing any motion in controlled travel to a year is improper, incorrect, and subject to error for documenting history as a stable reliable source.
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Basically this is saying. Then mathematic principle in comparing any motion in controlled travel to a year is improper, incorrect, and subject to error for documenting history as a stable reliable source. We have no way of understanding a long term history of Carbon dioxide mathematically in Earths history. Writing a law of gravity has a mathematic proof. For all motion of gravity there exists modulation, elasticity, and reverberation. Thought the calculations are complex they are fixed in a principle of mathematics. Truth; heat is directly effected by motion and gravity.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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Since when did I have to prove the earth is not a waffle maker, or thermostat, or whatever you said, to win? YOU claimed the earth is a thermostat. Go ahead with demonstrating!!! And also, if Anthony Watts is interpreting data without proper credentials, why is anybody even listening to him?
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A mathematic proof does not match the Science theory. This is an example of algebra fixed equation.
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The unexamined thought is not worth thinking.
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